Vince's Aberdeen Proving Ground pics.
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From Vince: These are pics I took at the US Army Ordnance Museum at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland, USA during the MVPA show, 1999. I'm no expert in some of the older stuff and foreign stuff, so I'll let you decide what they are.

From Doug: A lot of these vehicles are outside of my knowledge too, so if anyone who knows their vehicles would care to I.d. what is here it would be appreciated. I believe that some of the vehicles at Aberdeen are prototype (Panther II?) and a real trap to I.d.!

Rory, whose articles appear in section 4a of this site has been trying to better identify these vehicles.

A late model Panther?
Rory: this vehicle looks more like an early version than a late one. Everything seems identical to the picture in the Philip Trewhit book 'Armoured Fighting Vehicles' except that the tracks seem to be "Ostketten", the front fenders are flat rather than rounded to conform to the front sprocket, and that there are no 'Schurzen"

Russian PT-76 amphibious combat vehicle?
Rory: There are only three significant differences I see between the photo in the Jane's Tank Recognition Guide and the vehicle in the photo. The vehicle in the TRG has an odd-looking tilted antennae mount sticking out of the turret on the left side, as viewed from the back. It also has two disposable fuel panniers mounted on the back deck, which is common for Eastern Bloc vehicles. The difference that interests me is that the picture in the TRG has a NACA duct style inlet about four feet from the end of the hull, just above the fender. (It's a view from the left with the vehicle pointing toward the left.) It looks like an inlet for the water propulsion system to me. The one at Aberdeen does not appear to have this.

A Chieftain, but I don't know of what Mk.

Panzer I.

A Vickers Light Tank VI 'B' (from Tony Coglan: I'm making a model kit of this particular tank and you can tell them by the style of commander's cupola, the mark 'A' had an octagonal cupola, the mark 'B' a circular and on the mark 'C' the cupola was replaced with a plain split hatch).

Russian KV-1.
Rory: Definitely a KV-1 according to Trewhitt. The gun tube looks a little long, though. I would suspect that this is a 76.2mm, like the original, but with a longer barrel. Then again, it might be an 85mm as in the late war years T-34/85.

ZSU-40/2 on a T-34 chassis?
Rory: According to Trewhitt this is a Chinese Type 63 anti-aircraft gun. You are right about the T-34 chassis but the guns are 37mm. Also used in Vietnam.

Aberdeen's famous JagdTiger

Rory: According to Trewhitt this is an SU-76 without the canvas cover over the exposed fighting compartment.

Italian SPG?
Rory: This one has the suspension of a FIAT M13/40 meduim tank.
Eric:Italian Semovente M 41m 90mm

Italian SPG?
Rory: The suspension is that of a FIAT L6/40 light tank. I can't find these particular variants in any of the books that I have been able to find yet.
Eric: Italian Semovente 47/32 Su L6/40 47mm gun

Brummbar on a Panzer IV chassis?


M3 General Grant medium tank (produced in the USA as a General Lee but supplied to Britain with a different turret to British specifications)?

M 60?

Mk IV Female.

A T-62, a ? and a BRDM-2?
Rory: The one in the middle is an M-1974 Russian 122mm SPG.

A Sherman Firefly
(British adaptation of the Sherman which when fitted with the British 17 Pdr gave it a gun big enough to fight a Tiger).

The Goliath B1
The sign underneath reads;
This World War II remote controlled German demolition charge carrier, was intended to destroy fortified positions and clear minefields. Named for the biblical giant, but slow and easily stopped by small arms fire, it received the less glorious American nicknames of "Beetle", "Doodlebug", and "Minedog" It proved unsuccessful

Thanks to Vince for the article.


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